Jbl 4310 vs 4311 forum. Apr 30, 2020 · West Coast sound vs. 20. 08-03-2004, 07:39 AM #8. The 4310's are not as "shouty" as the 4311's (L100a Mar 19, 2008 · Yes, they are the genesis of many great loudspeaker systems from JBL. Maybe not quite as much of a West Coast / peaky midrange sound. Upgrade filters with sobels and LP inductors to reduce cone break up. Sep 16, 2013 · I have a pair of JBL 4312 Mk II control monitors and I love them. L110 all the way. Shipping and insurance $20. These were the classic near field recording studio monitors for those years in major studios from coast to coast. The original L100's have all of the drivers in a straight line, the tweeter has an alnico magnet, the crossover is different, port-hole is smaller and the cabinet is wood not an MDF type. Dont be fooled into buying a CE crown amp. I have a JBL "Pro-Note" ( Volume 1, Issue 7, published - July 1973 ) that intros the 4311 on page 4 . Robin L, Nov 2, 2009. JBL used to advertise that more Grammy-award winning LP's were mixed on the 4311's than any other speaker and the (now defunct) Chicago Coalition white paper on audio standards listed them as the preferred monitor. The Pioneer and Sansui and Kenwood speakers from the era with multiple drivers in parallel and horizontal to each other in the box seem strange as well. However, the lower impedance of 6 Ohms makes the JBL 4312 the first choice for many users. #6. Very successful, short version is that they launched the JBL L100 Century home version with the drivers in-line like the 4310, slightly modified crossover, walnut veneer cabinets, and the iconic Quadrex II grilles. Feb. Read history here . The earliest L100’s were inline or vertically arrayed drivers. The later models 4312 and 4312B replaced the paper cone tweeter with a titanium tweeter and forsook the classic "white woofer" for a black one. Thanks! JBL S38 in Stereophile Mag 2001 Feb 21, 2009 · The L112 works much better than the 4311's, and it's worth twice as much! The 128H is a much better woofer than the 2213H used in the 43xx series. I currently have a pretty clean pair of L100 Centurys and overall, I am not super impressed with the high-end. Ouch !! And they dont sound like a crown should. May 27, 2006 · I'm still using the 4311's I bought new for around $500 the pair. Jan 12, 2015 · Jan 12, 2015. The metal frames were sturdier on the old drivers, the paper thicker, and I've read that the voice coils . im currently using ls3/5a rated at 15ohms. What are your opinions on these speakers and is $275. This works 99% of the time. The 4412 tweeter was dimpled and the JBL engineer told me it measured 10% THD on axis. This is mostly due to the crossover. The 4311 seems to image ok. JBL 123A -3 *Original Replacement Woofer. Below is a comparison of features between the the 4311 and 3312. Aug 15, 2007 · "Development of an Industry Standard - JBL 4310" Taurus, Aug 15, 2007. org [Errors when replying to ads?] (2) JBL 4310WX control room monitors from 1973. A number of simplifications were made in Jun 7, 2013 · Jbl 4310. Their success led to the creation of a consumer version: L100 Speakers. Aug 2, 2004 · 4311:s plays Really loud if u want it too!! and still Rock´n Roll! older JBL's 43xx and 44xx would deliver the best combination of value/performance/price. I have owned and listened to the JBL L100A's (4311) and the original in-line L100's (4310) and have enjoyed them both. The 4311 was much better sounding to my brain. At precisely the moment when the 4310 was gaining its widespread acceptance, JBL experienced the transfer of ownership from Bill Thomas to the Jervis Corporation controlled by Sidney Harman. Not everyone finds them on CL for less than that. Oct 26, 2019 · Odd ball speaker. Adjusted for inflation, $333 in 76 compares to $1270 in 2007. I prefer to use 2213H in closed-box alignments, is all, to minimize the risk of demagging them. There has been probably more written about the L100 than nearly any speaker out there. Jun 22, 2005 · Jun 21, 2005. Same with the crossover components. #5. vinyl anachronist Senior Member. 00. However, I replaced, re-coned, and worked on many L-100 and 4311's drivers. I enjoy the bass however, I feel like the high-end leaves something to be desired. I have the impression that the L166 is superior to and more refined than the L100 / 4311 in terms of accuracy, with a flatter frequency response with better dispersion from the tweeter. I've had a couple pair of those pass through my hands in the last 6 months or so. the prob is im quite confused with the many variations of Apr 15, 2012 · Location: Gravenhurst, ON, CA. Same era as your JBLs—1976/1978. I say this because the HPM 100 cabinet is MUCH better built than the L100/43xx cabinets. :yes: 4310, L100, L100A, 4311, 4312 . The in-line L100 does image pretty well because of the in-line configuration. In the end I decided to go with seperates for about 700 bucks more than the 4311ci. The funny thing with 4311 is the bass driver is on top. The JBL 4310 was created and a Legend was born in the JBL4310. The LE-5 midrange (series) never wowed me either, so again I'm not a huge fan of that era JBL, but yes that midrange also survived many iterations through the years, so likely there are fans. Im trying to match same drivers on both. All three are great speakers (there are many versions in the 43xx class). But I suspect there is lot more than just the magnets that caused this. The latest TONEAudio has an article on the L100s. One of the first personnel changes was the appointment of Irving Stern to head JBL's marketing effort. Jul 29, 2019 · For future reference, mostly for those who might look up this thread in the future, JBL has always maintained a clear distinction between their Studio Monitors (such as the 4410A, etc) and Control Monitors (such as the 4310, 4311, etc). Build boxes as close to the original as possible, small bass reflex with drivers placed scattered around. To start off, I'd call it $500 for the pair. Perhaps th 4410s are a bit "rounder" while the 4312 mk II's are sharper and more precise If I was forced to part with one set, I'd keep the 4312mkIIs. These JBL Series Studio Monitors were made for recording studios and introduced nearfield monitoring (see definition below) which became a huge hit. The first L100’s showed up in 1970, and versions with L100 and Century names evolved after that, probably starting around Oct 11, 2021 · That the L100 / 4310 tweeter survived as long as it did in JBL production tells me that there are many who liked it. JBL used that 035Tia for 15-20 years. And that's when $500 was a lot of money to me. SaturationPt said: The 4311B is a better cabinet, better looking speaker, HF a bit warmer. 人工磁鐵 (鐵粉磁)，有著基本上不一樣的音色。 Jan 26, 2017 · Jan 26, 2017. I also currently own (or have owned) several higher level moderm speakers. #1. This may sound like a foolish question, but what are the differences between the JBL 4311 and the 4312? I know the 4311 was produced perhaps a decade or more earlier, and was based on the L100 studio monitor, but little else beyond the very obvious: 12" woofer, three-way ported Feb 20, 2011 · 4310, 4311, 4312 Studio Monitors. Jun 2, 2003 · Hi All As RobG stated, the 4311 was introduced in 1973/4 . The 4310 differs from the later domesticated L100 Century by having the LE20 tweeter, although I have seen images suggesting the L100 Century actually first had the LE20 tweeter, which later was replaced by the smaller LE25. Jul 24, 2013 · Vintage Monitor vs Modern Monitor. Aug 15, 2023 · They started out as the 4310 monitors, which were voiced purposely to match the Altec monitors of the time. Jul 13, 2017 · None of the technical details seem to have changed in the course of this year, though. Jan 9, 2015. I've owned all sorts of vintage amps—Marantz 8bs, Dyna 70's, Nad, Rotel, Harman Kardon—haven't been happier with any other amp. The asking price is $275. Apr 17, 2022 · The JBL L100 is back in production now and has an MSRP of $4,400. Simple enough to replace the capacitors and replace the L-pads if you can't clean them. Jun 2, 2020 · The 4310 dates from about 1969 and was superceeded by the 4311 soon afterwards. In other words, you are trying to pry the woofer free. 4412/A, the 128H and 128H-1 perform the same. Same also here, I tend to leave the mid and high lvl controls flat, then adjust positioning as necessary. The 4311B does sound good, just more vintage IME. The 3312 while having less features is on the top end of its life cycle. That pesky FR problem and the need for a reasonable sized control room monitor. It came right after the 4311 that had a log run. ) L100 inline. Can anyone who has heard them both offer an opinion Feb 12, 2021 · I've had the JBL 4311 and 4312. L100A (early) L100A (late) That said, the L100=L100A=4310=4311 (mostly) New Management and the L100 Phenomenon. Apr 30, 2020 · The JBL 4319 is leaner, but noticeably more detailed. For good reasons JBL only kept the L-100 in production for 1 year in 1970 and then the much improved L-100a had its run from 1971-1979 becoming JBL's top selling speaker ever. The L100 is essentially a 4310 or evolved from the 4310 with home use as the target market. 較早期的機種 (4310、l100、4311) 才有天然磁鐵， 後來的 (4311B、4312、4313 等)，則已改用人工磁鐵。 而天然磁鐵 (鈷磁) vs. Nov 18, 2019 · Nov 18, 2019. The 4310 wasn't all that accurate either probably because it was Nov 2, 2009 · Seems tolerant of weird loads, has a good tuner though the phono section is near useless. Then it was quickly replaced by the 4412 using the new titanium tweeters. Jan 10, 2015 · Subscriber. I own both the early in-line L100 and the Feb 27, 2015 · Feb 27, 2015. Mar 14, 2019 · The 4311B has a very simple crossover - 2 L-pads and 2 capacitors. Jan 18, 2010 · Jan 18, 2010. Jan 8, 2019 · LAS VEGAS, Nevada — At CES 2019, JBL by HARMAN today introduced the 4312G studio monitor, a modern take on the classic JBL loudspeaker. Bigger box, say 100 l sealed to improve low end. Jun 24, 2004 · 1. Best to lay the speaker horizontally when doing this, or the woofer will pop out unexpectedly. East Coast sound? The whole control monitor thing is interesting because it really shows that what JBL targeted in the 70/80’s was “wrong” from what we know about “ideal music”. Hard dome not soft. The 033 tweeter is a cheaper version of the 066. Review at Audio Heritage In 1968 JBL launches the first 3-way studio monitor, the 4310, later to be replaced by the 4311 model. You will now have access to the input terminals for replacement. For optimum source localization within the stereo image, arrange so that the listening position is centered and no more than 30 degrees off axis horizontally. Jul 13, 2002 · The 4311 was the update of the 4310, and it introduced their first titanium tweeter to the recording industry. Keep checking eBay for 4310 auctions and print off a copy of the higher ending prices for substantiation. The 43 series was a pro market (studio) product although people did buy them for home use as well. Jul 8, 2007. #2. #8. $500 isn't bad if they're in excellent condition. I´ll correct that: "older JBL's 43xx and 44xx would deliver the best combination of value/performance at any price!" Last edited by Figge; 08-03-2004 at 06:12 AM . The 4412/A is the gold-standard in JBL monitors and the L112 is a superb home version from an earlier day. I love my JBL 4313b speakers for small-room, near-field listening. The original in-line L100 is the home version of the JBL 4310 and the L100A is the home version of the JBL 4311. Aug 1, 2013 · One is a 4311 wx-a the other 4311b. They seem to be in good condition except one of the driver's cop is pushed in. The older in-line L100 (and the 4310) is smoother and more natural throughout the midrange than the later off set L100 and it's 4311 counterpart. The speaker is in very good condition and is in perfect working order and ready to use. Mar 26, 2013. Center image for the phantom vocal is more focused for the 4319. 00 a good price? Thanks Oct 20, 2023 · RRuskin said: The L-100 was the consumer version of the 4310 broadcast monitor. Dec 27, 2018 · hi everyone im thinking of getting a used pair of jbl 4312 or 4311. 4. The ebay "upgrade" seems pricey considering the parts appear to be pretty inexpensive. Thread starter Vintagear; There's just something about the 4310's that I like vs 4311's. The 4412A is a better speaker, much evolved crossover (better imaging), sharper HF with the 050Ti tweeter, but crappy cabinets and grilles IMO. As said the famous arranger who made the drive from another Michael Jackson Thriller: Bruce Swedien: "Do not EVER was confused with a JBL 4310 JBL Jan 23, 2018 · The company, founded in Northridge, California back in 1946 by James Bullogh Lansing, put its initials to many classic designs, one of which was the 4310. I'm personally quite fond of my L-100s, 4311s and 4312s. The bass emphasis in the L-100 was designed in, from recording studio tech’s request for such a “hump” in the response curve of These speakers have appeared in slightly different guise in the JBL lineup as the 4310, L100, L100A, 4311, 4311B, 4312, and 4312B. It was terrible, and we all hated it. Freq resp is 45 to 15, sens is 91. The L100 is the consumer version of the 4310/4311 and thus is essentially a Control Monitor. They are all large, 3-way bookshelf speakers with a 12" bass driver. Both came with a strange mix of drivers: Wx-a: 2212 (very nice condition), Le5-2, Le25-4. vinyl anachronist, Aug 15, 2007. On the other hand, L100 has better sensitivity. I am guessing the voice coils were built to handle more heat in the studio speakers than the home series. Hello up there in Black Mountain! You've got several AKers in the vicinity! Aug 29, 2022 · The JBL 4312G comes with a high power capacity of up to 200W compared to L100. That is rather high. Location: Lakeside, Oregon. But I'm tempted every time the Yamaha NS-1000 (non-M) pop up on the market in my area. Accuracy or looks. Apr 15, 2012 · The PDF link I provided shows the L100 sensitivity. Your crossover schematic can be found here Feb 15, 2010 · Feb 15, 2010. I'd say the Pioneer HPM 100 wins hands down as the best of the three. This was changed to an offset cluster to reflect the 4310/4311 relationship. If the question becomes L112 vs. 2 channels the Denon AVR-4311CI has it all. A substantial amount of the world's most popular music was mixed in studios using JBL 4320's, 4310's, and 4311's. For JBL L100, 4310, 4311, and 4312. Modern in line alignment of drivers. Nov 24, 2018 · The tweeters on the 4312A beat both the 4312 and L100. They actually pulled the tweeter and went back to the paper tweeter and renamed the unit as the JBL 4311B. May 30, 2008 · Only 99 easy payments! May 30, 2008. Phil Collins used a 4311. JBL rates the 4310 45-15,000Hz +/-3Db, so it seems that the bass response, while not exhibiting any kind of LF "bump" to warm it up any, should be adequate for most pop/rock/jazz listening. They listed for $333 each in 1976. The L100 had a little better bass response. Cheap alternative. Dec 10, 2008 · Place screwdriver at base of woofer frame and hit with a mallet/hammer. L100 offset. really love the sound of these speakers just that the low end is missing. Posted on February 20, 2011 by Cathy. Founded by James Bullough Lansing in 1946, JBL has consistently pushed the boundaries of loudspeaker design. Zonker92 said: Probably arbitrary, but I use the nominal "flat" positions on JBLs then tweak them slightly from there, as needed. They are in a sorry state. #4. Extract from brochure (from left to right): JBL 4311, L100A, L100, 4310; Reports . The speaker is boxed and ready for immediate shipping. There's much to admire in Denon's AVR-4311 amplifier, including great functionality, but it lacks the balance of the bestRead more Power, new Audyssey MultEQ XT 32, networking, Pre-amp mode, 9. 4311 uses an alnico mid. Nov 18, 2011 · * JBL 4310 1973 Vintage Control Room Monitor Speakers - $775 (Patty Jewett) Date: 2011-11-17, 9:49AM MST Reply to: sale-mhhxd-2707228499@craigslist. 4312, 4312A, 4312B. About This Listing. Jul 8, 2007 · Supernatural Anesthetist. To replace. Mar 25, 2009 · It's been generally accepted there were four versions of the L100, JBL added and dropped the "Century" moniker at will throughout the line (and others. Operatively, they are the same. Crossover networks seems to be the same and only difference is the reversed polarity of woofer output. The bass on the S/2600 digs deeper. Aug 15, 2007 · JBL Models left to right- 4311, L-100a, L-100, 4310 The L-100 was very different from the L-100a which was a return to the original 1968 design of the 4310 studio monitor. May 29, 2011 · The L100 and 4311 have strange orientations. Jul 18, 2007. The tweeter changes are just steps in evolution. I claim no familiarity with that particular driver. I'll let you know when I finish. also on heavy bass drum songs, speakers wont be able to play at optimum volume. They also have decent drivers. #3. The 4312SE is the re-embodiment of that late 1960s, early-1970s classic, announced last year to mark JBL’s 70th anniversary. I also regularly visit hi-fi boutiques and attend audio shows so I have auditioned many speakers that I have not had the Dec 8, 2012 · Thought id got a dud set of jbl but it was the amp. com. Fancier box to fit with home decor, same drivers, BUT a different crossover network to appeal to consumer tastes. 2. It also states that "the 4310 will continue to be available until, at least, November 1973" . Google it! As for differences, appears there's not much: After much debate, it was decided to reconfigure the 4310 for its debut in the consumer division as the L100. The JBL 4310 was a direct result of their research, and it answered and solved two major problems. 4312's used an aluminum tweeter full of THD. The 12" speaker works much better in about 4 cubic feet, which is what it was originally Jun 22, 2015 · It denotes a revision. If they blow they are throw aways Triple layered board that cost $800. The 4312SE draws heavily on JBL's iconic 4310/4311/4312 studio monitors of the 70s and 80s, as well as its L100 'Century' domestic speakers - it's a three-way design, with a 12in coated-pulp woofer, 5in coated-pulp midrange driver and a 25mm aluminium/magnesium tweeter with waveguide. Scientifically, the whole circle of confusion applies here. 3. I was just handed an opportunity to grab a set of JBL 4312As which feature a titanium tweeter instead of the paper on the L100 centurys. Manufactured in Los Angeles, California - 12" Speaker, 8 ohm impedance. Both pairs are connected to a McIntosh 2125 amp (1 amp per pair) and they play beautifully. Michael Jackson’s Thriller was mixed on a JBL 4310. 4311. Many 123 (-x) in L100s have endured lifetimes of cranking to the max and may be down a bit in magnetic strength. Crafted in the mold of the legendary 4310/4311 family, and the more recent 70th Anniversary 4312SE, the 4312G delivers thundering, clear bass, with crystalline and precise highs, even at the highest listening Jan 14, 2007 · JBL engineers studied the 604's response and found some rather serious shortcomings in it's playback FR. The legendary 4310 all that equipped recording studios in America! So I put in my woodworking shop and I undertook a complete restoration. The L110 tweeter is just plain better than the paper cone tweeter on the 4311. 4311B: LE25-2 tweeter (no longer available Mar 26, 2013 · All shiny and chrome. For critical listening, the JBL 4319 may actually be better thanks to the resolution. The L100 was part of a home series of speakers. I also have a pair 4410's. However, JBL’s 4310 was distinctly studio-orientated design. I suspect it really depends upon room and set-up. They've got nice crisp highs, lovely mids, and the tightest bass I've heard from a ported, non-acoustic suspension design. porziob said: ↑. LA engineers called it, "tizz-boom disease" because of the exaggerated low & top end. It states that this successor (4311) for the 4310 "is due for production in August 1973" . So the 4312A are the winners in my ears. There is a forum online where a fellow named Harvey Gerst, apparently an employee, had this to say: "The 4311 was the update of the 4310, and it introduced their first titanium tweeter to the recording industry. The 4312G loudspeaker is part of a long-standing series that originated with the 4310 Studio Monitor in the late nineteen sixties. Mar 9, 2019 · JBL 4310; JBL 4311; JBL 4312; JBL 4312 A; JBL 4310; JBL 4325; JBL 4330; JBL Aquarius I; JBL Aquarius IV; JBL D 50 S 7 R; JBL D 50 S 8 R; JBL D 51 S 7; JBL D 53 S 11; JBL L 75; JBL L 100; JBL L 101; JBL L 200; JBL S 99 Athena; Pictures . 00 a pair. The fight was between the 4312 and the L100 and I find the 4312 to have a little bit better mids and high than the L100 even thou they use the same drivers. A lot of personal preferance comes into this one. Jan 10, 2024 · Jan 10, 2024. L110 is much rarer than 4311. Dec 20, 2016 · Dec 20, 2016. My 4311B technical manual says the speakers will work fine with power from as low as ten to at least 150 watts per channel. Anyways seeking comments on these topics. Jul 18, 2007 · Fedallah. 4311b: 2213h (repaired cone), Le5-8, Le25. tonepublications. Apr 20, 2012 · One thing to keep in mind is that the 4311CI is on the declining part of its life cycle. Has anyone had first hand experience with the KRK 8 and the JBL 4310's (not the 4311's or L100A's)? AudioKarma Audio Forums Jul 15, 2006 · Jul 15, 2006. Over time, the 4310 family evolved into the 4311 and numerous 4312 iterations, spanning more than six decades. Id like to hear some to size them up with regards to imaging. If you ever get a chance to pull a woofer May 3, 2007 · The L-112, though I have heard them, were well after my time as a JBL repair tech. L110 is a step down from l166 IMO. For relaxed listening or group listening, the S/2600 is better. Both speakers equal out in crossover frequencies and price. Мне надо много кофе. im considering a pair of jbl 4312 or 4311 to alternate with my ls3/5a. L110 uses a ferrite mid. Feb 17, 2009 · There is a pair of JBL 4311's for sale close to where I live. The 4311 using the older Alnico and the 4312 was the same speaker but had ferrite magnets. kf bb xw ty mi ws hk pm zs ny